Obama, get on offense concerning Death Penalty

The worst thing that any politician can do is to  get and stay on defense on an important issue.  Trying to avoid a topic, or answering it in a legalistic way can lead to disaster. Not always, but the potential is there.

I suggest as democrats we should have an agenda on each policy item that is right for the nation and also good politics.

This week's SC decision to ban the use of the death penalty in heinous child rape cases was the wrong decision and demands that candidates state their position both substanitively and legally.

Here's what I suggest for our nominee:

1.  Propose and advocate a nationwide, 50 state moriatorium on the death penalty.  Try to get the governors of all 50 states to agree, and work to try to get national standards.

2.  Propose all 1st degree murder convictions be submitted to the jury as death penalty cases.  Also, leave the discretion to the proscecutors to seek the death penalty in non 1st degree murder cases, including any other crime that truly shocks the community's conscience.

3.  Ensure that every death penalty case's defense is fully funded from day 1.  That means the state and federal government should pay for an "o.j." type defense where no reasonable person could argue that there wasn't a fair trial and the defendant got every possible constitutional right.

4.   If convicted and sentenced under the above scenario, the sentence should be carried out quickly. The appeals should be exhausted in less than 3 months. This fits the definition of effective punishment: immediate, sufficient in force, and consistently applied.

In order to secure our values as a country, and define morality and goodness, our society has to establish limits of what is intolerable under any circumstance.  That is why the death penalty is needed.  The problem with the system today is that is not fairly applied, it is not applied enough throughout our society, and when it is applied it is done in such an inefficient way its' effect is minimized.

Democrats have a chance to develop a system that both supporters and detractors of the death penalty can at least agree that the process was fair and at least met its' purpose.  What we have right now allows reasonable people like me to be anti-capital punishment for reasons that have nothing to do with the facts in the case.

In reality, the 50 states will probably not agree to even a 1 day moriatorium, and much of the rest will run into political snafu's.  But in this process, obama can establish a new way of doing business as a democrat.  Addressing civil liberties and constitutional rights in a world that demands tough choices.

Much of what I propose is gospel on the left:

more money for defense
equal standards for everyone

while many on the right would love:
the death penalty for anyone who intentionally with malice kills someone (1st degree murder)--

the death penalty expanded to cases like these child rape examples.

the process being curtailed so it can actually work.

This is my take on what really is right and could work.  It is the opposite of being a moderate.  It is what I call a "newliberal", making an honest effort to do what's right based on facts and logic.  Every aspect can be defended on the merits, rather than a compromised position trying to please everyone.



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Re: Obama, get on offense concerning Death Penalty (2.00 / 1)

These cases make my skin crawl, but I can't support the death penalty.


I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?
by William Cooper on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:56:31 AM EST

Re: Obama, get on offense concerning Death Penalty (2.00 / 1)

Obama position on the death penalty is pretty clear:.

Obama wrote in his recent memoir that he thinks the death penalty "does little to deter crime." But he supports capital punishment in cases "so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment."

WaPo Feb'08

First and foremost the death penalty is a states rights issue, unless it's a federal crime. The Fed has no say.

Moratorium, good idea. Your right though, getting Gov. and citizens to agree might be problematic.

Federal funding infringes on states rights and states already pay for a majority violent crime defenses.

Ist degree murder trials Obama appears to be against death penalty here.

Quick execution. You are taking away the right to appeal? You run the risk of executing an innocent individual. Also the number of appeals has already been reduced.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:58:07 AM EST

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Do you ever watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit?  They have a very libertarian view of issues, so there is some I disagree with (especially the WalMart episode, which looked as if it was written by Walmart)... but the Online Pornography, Sexual Education, Prostitution, Boy Scouts banning gays (this was interesting as I didn't know that the Mormon church has a lot to do with that stance... special interest groups) are top notch.  Anyway, they do a fantastic episode on the Death Penalty (very against)... Check it out sometime.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:06:36 AM EST
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I've actually watched quite a few of the episodes, and while they're fun to watch when I agree with them, it's really hard to take them seriously, as the show is mostly Penn shouting and very poor representatives of whatever they're criticizing looking stupid.

They're pro-wal*mart, they're anti-recycling, they had a show that concluded there is "no link between secondhand smoke and cancer", they're against animal rights, against the ADA and handicapped parking, environmentalism and the idea of global warming, gun control, and endangered species protection.  They also come out against Mother Teresa, Gandhi and the Dalai Lama for god knows why.

However, as you said, even these assholes are against Capital Punishment.  


by semiquaver on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:56:57 AM EST
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Re: Obama, get on offense concerning Death Penalty (2.00 / 3)

If one believes in the death penalty, one basically believes torturing a human being is acceptable.  

It is not a politcal issue it is a moral one.  There are people on all parts of the political spectrum who support or oppose this.  

What you are suggesting in your diary is that you can "clean-up" the facts behind the use of the DP to make it look good.  The fact is it is ugly and wrong and no cosmetic treatment is going to change this.  It speaks volumes about our culture that anyone can think that is doable.


by mady on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:04:56 AM EST

um (2.00 / 1)

all 1st degree murder convictions be submitted to the jury as death penalty cases
Whatever way you spin it, your proposal seeks to dramatically increase the number of executions in this country.  You've certainly don't understand what "gospel on the left" means...

Sorry, this proposal has absolutely none of the nuance and balance you seem to think it does.  It would never, ever be implemented, because no one would be happy with it.

Not to mention the practical impossibilities.  For example, how are we going to afford "O.J. lawyers" for every accused murderer?  A sustained murder case can go on for years on appeal, and the nation's best lawyers are damn expensive.  There were 17,000 murders in 2006.  O.J. Simpson's legal bill was $6 million, which is $8 million in today's dollars.  And he didn't even have to enter the appeals process like most murder defendants do.  So what you're proposing would cost at least $136 billion or more per year, likely far more.  

more money for defense

That figure is 30% of the entire defense budget, yet the funds would probably have to come out of state coffers.  How the hell does spending hundreds of billions on lawyers give us more money for defense?

Your plan would be anathema to liberals who oppose the death penalty, and even more so to conservatives who would be aghast at the phenomenal bill attached.  

Instead of this cockamamie idea which clearly wasn't thought out fully, how about we just don't kill people?  


by semiquaver on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:37:44 AM EST

Contrary to your belief... (2.00 / 1)

...Obama isn't gung ho on the death penalty.  Dwelling on it is a divisive measure and is a loser for him.

Please remember, all he did was say that the death penalty should be constitutional in the area of child rape.  He didn't say that he endorsed it one way or another.  The guy has a belief as a constitutional scholar here.


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by Dracomicron on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:43:47 AM EST

Pro-death-penalty much? (2.00 / 1)

I suppose those pesky post-mortem acquittals don't bother you at all.

This diary makes my skin crawl.


by spunkmeyer on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:50:11 PM EST

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Life without parole is sufficient, cheaper, and there's less risk of executing an innocent person. Few other countries have the death penalty as we do and it's clear that America and the court is moving towards banning it entirely and moving to life without parole.


by Quinton on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 01:23:46 PM EST


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