MyDD :: Conservatives sticking to principles; looking to shoot selves in foot

Conservatives sticking to principles; looking to shoot selves in foot

by yitbos96bb, Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:19:30 AM EST

In what is a respectable move of sticking to principles, conservative power brokers are meeting to talk about the possibility of backing a third party conservative bid for the White House. With Guiliani leading in many polls, conservatives don't want to find themselves with a pro-choice candidate and instead wanting to find someone as oppressive and hate filled as themselves.

Although no plans have been officially made, a meeting of 40 powerful right wing theocons was held this weekend to discuss the issue. Apparently, most of them take all the credit for Bush's re-election (instead of giving credit to Diebold and the hackers who helped manipulate their machines) and are PISSED at what they see as a betrayal.

They are smart enough to realize that their candidate won't win, but see it as a way to shock the GOP establishment. They feel like they are taken for granted and feel entitled to have a big voice within the GOP.

In analyzing this, of course, this would be the greatest thing EVER. A fracturing of the GOP would assure us not only the White House but a MANDATE SIZE landslide victory. Given the RW hatred of all things Hillary, I doubt they would do this if she is the nominee, preferring to go with the ABH approach; of course the reverse is that would be EXACTLY the thing to shake the GOPers leadership and show the importance of the Theocons to the GOP. However, Edwards, Obama, Richardson and several others may be handed a strong mandate on a silver platter. It will be interesting to watch if these people are ACTUALLY this stupid, but it would be outstanding if they did.

Alan Keyes in 2008?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_p o/conservatives_third_party;_ylt=AlqRbyz VWeVCNsvrofUguxqMwfIE

Tags: Morons, Conservatives, Landslide, 2008 (all tags)

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Re: Conservatives sticking to principles; looking (none / 0)

And by respectable, I mean their principled stand... NOT what they stand for.

At the same time, it would be the stupidest thing I have ever heard for them to do that.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:24:42 AM EST

maybe not... (none / 0)

i realize it is common to believe that everyone thinks like you, but this strikes me as movement conservatives trying to head off another 1992 -- when conservatives failed to turn out, and some that did ended up voting for a third party candidate. to their thinking, this is why george bush I lost.

by signaling now that movement conservatives won't be helping giuliani, they not only signal to their supporters that it's acceptable to refuse to vote for rudy, but to the party that his strategy of "i'm the only one who can beat hillary" is fatally flawed.

while i never thought the gop would nominate rudy in the first place (because of his stance on guns and abortion), i take the movement conservatives at their word that they will accept a hillary victory in order to preserve their hold on the party. after all, the clintons allow conservative organizations to strengthen, raise money, gain followers. that translates into power. so even if they lose the white house, these people gain power and support. pretty rational if you asked me...

"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

by bored now on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:38:27 PM EST
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Re: Conservatives sticking to principles; looking (2.00 / 1)

Sticking to principles is something more liberals will hopefully learn to do. We sure haven't served the Democratic party by letting the DLC run it unchallenged.

The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.

by Liberal Avenger on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:27:46 AM EST

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When you read up on this issue you will realize that these people are very serious about this. There is no caveat for a possible Clinton candidacy mentioned anywhere. In fact, this shows how weak those "concerns" about Hillary Clinton's effect on the right-wing really are. They can obviously see how strong the probability of a Clinton candidacy is at this point, yet they chose to declare themselves incapable of supporting a Giuliani candidacy, no matter what, and their intention of turning their backs on the GOP should the 'wrong' candidate be chosen. It is really a strong anti-Giuliani issue, and for many of them it would extend to a Romney candidacy as well (Mormonism does not sit well with Evangelicals, Romney has an abortion history they don't like either.) No sign of rabid Hillary-hate "that overrides everything else" even with this particular crowd, and if any crowd would harbor those types of strong feelings, it is this one.

by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:46:20 AM EST

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Maybe... give it time though. IF she wins the nom, the Hillary Hate will FLOW like a river. Whether it motivates the base is another story... but if YOU read the article, you will see that there were several shouting down this 3rd party idea because they KNOW it would produce a Dem president.

The other question is... HOW much could a 3rd party conservative draw away? A guy like Keyes isn't going to get that much of the vote... I think most theocons will hold their nose instead of letting Hillary, Obama or Edwards win in a landslide. If the person is a highly respected and powerful theocon; well then that is another story. I am just not sure WHO they could get.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:27:19 AM EST
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This is a test of strength within the GOP (none / 0)

It doesn't make a dimes worth of difference to the Democrats UNLESS they actually run a third party candidate.

The Republicans will demonize whoever the Democratic nominee with the usual attacks -- a flip flopping, liar who hates America and enjoys killing babies, blah blah blah. We have all heard it a million times before. The relig right will have plenty of hatred for whomever the Democrat candidate is.

The question then becomes one of principal. If they say they can't vote for a pro-choice Democrat, can they in turn vote for a pro-choice Republican? Some won't and in a potentially closely contested election losing just a few % of the evangelicals means the Republicans lose. Period.

That has nothing to do with Perkins or Dobson.

So where do Perkins and Dobson come in?

Simple.

They are hearing a small core of evangelicals saying that they can't support Giuliani or Romeny, and they see the head to head polls showing Democrats beating the GOP in states like Ohio and Virginia, they see the fundraising, and they read Bob Novak quoting GOP insiders who say the GOP is going to lose the White House in '08.

What they are fighting for is long term control of the party and their own relevance. If Giuliani gets the nomination all the past statements make by Dobson and Perkins and Robertson over the years are just puffery. It will be shown the right didn't control the party. The nomination didn't go through them. Their multi-million dollar political organizations will see a big time drop off in donors and funding. They will see less Republican pols fly out to Colorado or Tenessee to grovel at their feet.

Giuliani (or any Republican) stands a very good chance of losing without their help. But they would love to be able to say "we did it, don't mess with us again."

by dpANDREWS on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:02:37 AM EST

I Bet It Will Be Romney (none / 0)

He's the only one that the Repubs could begin to handle, believe me. But Romney has mountains of baggage also. He did a great job of nearly bankrupting my own state of Massachusetts. It's 100% clear that he is an outright neocon. And the magical underwear issue will not go away.

I have pages of damning stuff about him on my saved comments disk. Time to scan it all. This looks to become a major project.

by blues on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 03:38:02 AM EST

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